what does everyone on here think of ethanol (e-10) fuel?? personally that is all i use, in nebraska there is a ethanol tax credit that makes ethanol the same price or cheaper than 87 octane, e-10 blend is 89 octane, also as a corngrower i support ethanol since most ethanol comes from corn, i have been running ethanol in my truck since i got it without any of the problems that you here about , i just wanted to knwo what everyone else thinks
We just filled up with it for $2.19. Seems okay. it is cheaper than the regular unleaded. We've heard that it burns faster though. I think it should be alot more cheaper besides just 2 cents per G.
It has to be trucked places. They won't send it through pipelines because it carries water. It also CLEANS stuff.
Which is nice, because we have no need for "heet" and stuff during the winter, because we don't keep water in our gas tanks. =)
So we get slightly lower mpg, but our engines stay cleaner and no worries about water.
Of course, using 89 octane instead of 87 just because of price doesn't make much sense to me. You won't receive any power from it, it will lead to more carbon build up, the ethanoled gas produces less mileage, and etc.
In the People's Republik of Minnesota we have no choice. All gas contains 10% ethanol.
I wouldn't complain if I had a 12.5:1 compression V6 tuned for 85% ethanol. E-85 is like 105 octane! Yet the flexible fuel vehicles don't take advantage of this because they want them to run on regular unleaded pump gas also.
Diesels are still the way. Screw that hybrid stuff. 50% of Europeans are smart enough to drive diesels. With the new clean fuel coming soon emissions are going to be better, throw some expensive cat convertors on it and it will get even better. With biodiesel about to take off.
Smart engineering, biodiesel, and ethanol and we'd be better off.
It may be China's wave of the future. It's easier to develop it there since they're putting up a million gas stations.
We need a clean way to make hydrogen. Otherwise we're just spinning our tires.
We need better storage too. Who wants to be driving around with a 10,000 psi hydrogen bomb in their trunk? I'm sure it's decently safe, but that scares even me!
That's another thing I dislike about hybrids. So much $$$ for so little return. A very expensive and compliated engine/motor set and batteries, when you can get the same mileage for a lot less money out of a diesel engine.
Sure, there's slightly less emissions, but only tree huggers really care about that. We've reduced the amount this country makes by such a large amount I think we've done our part. Someone should focus on the 3rd worlds which have little to no emission requirements...they're hurting the enviroment a lot more than anyone with an SUV.
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RkyMtnHi wrote:
They say the wave of the future is hydrogen. Made from water and exhausts water. What are your thoughts on that?
If i'm not mistaken, i could have sworn that i heard that they have to pull the hydrogen atoms out of crude oil to use it as a viable fuel..which would put us back in the same pickle we're in now.
And I don't think it would be possible to seperate the hydrogen from the oxygen (if you wanted to use water as a fuel) in anything besides a lab...much less in a moving car.
I still think biodiesel is the future. Our planet would smell like french fries, but we'd have cheap fuel.
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i can see hydrogen being made in a moving car, but then it would have to be pressurized on the spot too. me and dad have made hydrogen at home with an electric train thing and some water, but it takes a really long time to make a small amount. if this method was used in cars, a LOT would have to be made in a hurry which would be impossible. even if you did it at home then put the hydrogen into the car, it would still take up a bunch of time. you can mix some kind of acid with maganizium rod or something like we did in chemistry, and that might work, but then you have to buy lots of acid and then you have to flush out the water/acid all the time
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piperc wrote:
i can see hydrogen being made in a moving car, but then it would have to be pressurized on the spot too. me and dad have made hydrogen at home with an electric train thing and some water, but it takes a really long time to make a small amount. if this method was used in cars, a LOT would have to be made in a hurry which would be impossible. even if you did it at home then put the hydrogen into the car, it would still take up a bunch of time. you can mix some kind of acid with maganizium rod or something like we did in chemistry, and that might work, but then you have to buy lots of acid and then you have to flush out the water/acid all the time
...which makes it not a viable fuel source. I think we need to just say "F it" and go tell OPEC and the rest of the oil exporting countries in the mid-east that our economy is not going to be held hostage by them. We need more time to come up with something that will work as a fuel, and the OPEC countries are sitting on top of the time we need, and are charging out the ass for it.
We need something renewable.
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I read in a Pop Sci magazine a few months ago that (using diesel to make the hydrogen) it takes more fuel to make the hydrogen than a car would use just burning it inside the engine. So we are further back from where we started. Until there is an economical way to produce Hydrogen we are better off using fossil fuels or finding something else like bio-diesel. I like the current Hybrid cars that we have now (the prius) burn gas when you need the power and use the battery when you don’t (city driving). It’s a good setup, we just need it in a truck format. I also read a few years ago in (Pop Sci again) that the new methods of getting oil out of the ground increased our time table by about 200 to 300 years at current consumption rates. (That report was written before the China economy boom so I'm sure that the # of years is reduced a bit now)
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